Comments on: Pseudopod 92: The Sloan Men http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/ The Sound of Horror. Pseudopod is the world\'s first audio horror magazine. We deliver bone-chilling stories from today\'s most talented authors straight to your computer or MP3 player. Fri, 24 May 2013 16:16:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Pseudopod » Blog Archive » Pseudopod 247: Looker http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-224739 Pseudopod » Blog Archive » Pseudopod 247: Looker Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:05:10 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-224739 <p>[...] David Nickle David has been on Pseudopod previously with “The Sloan Men” and “The Inevitability of Earth”. Click the link under his name to check out his [...]</p> [...] David Nickle David has been on Pseudopod previously with “The Sloan Men” and “The Inevitability of Earth”. Click the link under his name to check out his [...]

]]> By: Mike G http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-121474 Mike G Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:16:17 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-121474 <p>I just listened to this story and it was brilliant. Excellent atmosphere via word choice and character description, deft manipulation of the story line so as to maintain excitement and interest, and a lovely reading by the narrator. Bravo.</p> I just listened to this story and it was brilliant. Excellent atmosphere via word choice and character description, deft manipulation of the story line so as to maintain excitement and interest, and a lovely reading by the narrator. Bravo.

]]> By: The Fix | From the Podosphere: May 2008 http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-120619 The Fix | From the Podosphere: May 2008 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:41:36 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-120619 <p>[...] “The Sloan Men” by David Nickle starts off as a spooky tale, takes a while to continue spooky, and you just know it’s going to end badly—in the sense that someone is going to be severely disadvantaged—this is horror after all. A young woman visits her fiancé’s parents, and all seems well, except that her potential mother-in-law is missing a couple of digits on one hand. She should have realized that’s a very bad sign. Something supernatural and sick ensues, as the mother reveals far too much about her own relationship with her husband—and our heroine reveals far too much about what’s just happened at her own parents’ place. Yes, it’s going to end badly. Unfortunately, the final twist is one that horror readers could pick from a selection of possible ends, so the expected horrific punch line is a bit ho-hum. It’s well read by Cunning Minx though, even if the story itself is run-of-the-mill. [...]</p> [...] “The Sloan Men” by David Nickle starts off as a spooky tale, takes a while to continue spooky, and you just know it’s going to end badly—in the sense that someone is going to be severely disadvantaged—this is horror after all. A young woman visits her fiancé’s parents, and all seems well, except that her potential mother-in-law is missing a couple of digits on one hand. She should have realized that’s a very bad sign. Something supernatural and sick ensues, as the mother reveals far too much about her own relationship with her husband—and our heroine reveals far too much about what’s just happened at her own parents’ place. Yes, it’s going to end badly. Unfortunately, the final twist is one that horror readers could pick from a selection of possible ends, so the expected horrific punch line is a bit ho-hum. It’s well read by Cunning Minx though, even if the story itself is run-of-the-mill. [...]

]]> By: Mari Mitchell http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-43300 Mari Mitchell Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:31:42 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-43300 <p>I thought the reading was rushed and I love that you could read the story. But I liked the tone of her voice and felt it fit the story well.</p> <p>Personally I liked the story.</p> I thought the reading was rushed and I love that you could read the story. But I liked the tone of her voice and felt it fit the story well.

Personally I liked the story.

]]> By: Sgarre1 http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-28522 Sgarre1 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:58:14 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-28522 <p>Excellent story! Excellent.</p> <p>Pretty much everything I would have said has been said already (including the mispronunciation of Thalidomide) but I'm happy that between this and "Sons of Carbon County" there does seem to be some intelligent, actually scary horror showing up on Pseudopod.</p> <p>Ambiguity in an ending is good if the story is well written. I fall on the side of people who feel that's she's either still in thrall or, alternatively, that her "love" is actually just a realization that she's got the upper hand and wants nothing more than to care for a helpless monster. Maybe, it's a little of both. I don;t actually see much of a reason for her to kill Mrs. Sloan unless she was about to kill Herman (I can't remember).</p> <p>I can't really accept that she actually "loves" him, in the generally understood sense of the word, because for that to work we'd have to actually have experienced more of him to understand why she'd feel that way. And the story works better with him being a cypher.</p> <p>Special kudos for "...I do" being the last thing said. A phrase that has undone many a love affair...</p> <p>"Quote from: Kevin Anderson on June 02, 2008, 09:51:47 PM Really liked this one. I thought it interesting that Mrs. Sloan was unable to break away on her own, and could only do so with the solidarity of another woman. If all women banned together I wonder what they could make of this world. Couldn’t do any worse…."</p> <p>"Quote from: bolddeceiver on June 03, 2008, 01:17:22 AM Wow, your comment suddenly makes the story read to me as a total allegory of "post-feminism" -- the women both fight against oppression, but in the end the woman of the younger generation chooses to return to the monster (literally) that so mistreated her, totally giving up all that she achieved with the aid of the woman of the older generation...</p> <p>Wow, I'm reading WAY too much into this."</p> <p>A sharp reading! Excellent.</p> <p>Thanks for listening</p> <p>“An infinity of passion can be contained in one minute, like a crowd in a small space.” Gustave Flaubert – MADAME BOVARY</p> Excellent story! Excellent.

Pretty much everything I would have said has been said already (including the mispronunciation of Thalidomide) but I’m happy that between this and “Sons of Carbon County” there does seem to be some intelligent, actually scary horror showing up on Pseudopod.

Ambiguity in an ending is good if the story is well written. I fall on the side of people who feel that’s she’s either still in thrall or, alternatively, that her “love” is actually just a realization that she’s got the upper hand and wants nothing more than to care for a helpless monster. Maybe, it’s a little of both. I don;t actually see much of a reason for her to kill Mrs. Sloan unless she was about to kill Herman (I can’t remember).

I can’t really accept that she actually “loves” him, in the generally understood sense of the word, because for that to work we’d have to actually have experienced more of him to understand why she’d feel that way. And the story works better with him being a cypher.

Special kudos for “…I do” being the last thing said. A phrase that has undone many a love affair…

“Quote from: Kevin Anderson on June 02, 2008, 09:51:47 PM Really liked this one. I thought it interesting that Mrs. Sloan was unable to break away on her own, and could only do so with the solidarity of another woman. If all women banned together I wonder what they could make of this world. Couldn’t do any worse….”

“Quote from: bolddeceiver on June 03, 2008, 01:17:22 AM Wow, your comment suddenly makes the story read to me as a total allegory of “post-feminism” — the women both fight against oppression, but in the end the woman of the younger generation chooses to return to the monster (literally) that so mistreated her, totally giving up all that she achieved with the aid of the woman of the older generation…

Wow, I’m reading WAY too much into this.”

A sharp reading! Excellent.

Thanks for listening

“An infinity of passion can be contained in one minute, like a crowd in a small space.” Gustave Flaubert – MADAME BOVARY

]]> By: Fluffy Bunny http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-27725 Fluffy Bunny Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:05:47 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-27725 <p>Best evar. Thank you.</p> Best evar. Thank you.

]]> By: Romer http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-27623 Romer Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:54:19 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-27623 <p>Wow, that was a really good, creepy story. I'm not even sure exactly how but between the reader and the author, I was really drawn into it all. I wasn't expecting that ending but in hindsight, I probably should have been.</p> <p>Totally agreed with the Doctor Who reference in the closing comments. Funny how a silly camp sci-fi show can strike a strong emotional chord =p</p> Wow, that was a really good, creepy story. I’m not even sure exactly how but between the reader and the author, I was really drawn into it all. I wasn’t expecting that ending but in hindsight, I probably should have been.

Totally agreed with the Doctor Who reference in the closing comments. Funny how a silly camp sci-fi show can strike a strong emotional chord =p

]]> By: Spork http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-26211 Spork Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:25:51 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-26211 <p>I don't know if I'd go that far, Scott.</p> <p>I've been thinking about this story for a while now. I think maybe I was wrong. The telling to which I referred earlier, wasn't exactly telling. Flashbacks are just as much showing as anything else, and since she had to explain her flashbacks to her future mother-in-law, she had to tell some bits.</p> <p>So, while there was showing, I still couldn't get into this thing. But, I was wrong to nail it for the whole show/tell thing.</p> I don’t know if I’d go that far, Scott.

I’ve been thinking about this story for a while now. I think maybe I was wrong. The telling to which I referred earlier, wasn’t exactly telling. Flashbacks are just as much showing as anything else, and since she had to explain her flashbacks to her future mother-in-law, she had to tell some bits.

So, while there was showing, I still couldn’t get into this thing. But, I was wrong to nail it for the whole show/tell thing.

]]> By: Scott http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-26077 Scott Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:36:28 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-26077 <p>In this case telling worked.</p> In this case telling worked.

]]> By: Spork http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25906 Spork Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:15:56 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25906 <p>I give this story a resounding...meh.</p> <p>Why couldn't we have been SHOWN his control over her, instead of being TOLD all about it?</p> I give this story a resounding…meh.

Why couldn’t we have been SHOWN his control over her, instead of being TOLD all about it?

]]> By: AmazingSteve http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25400 AmazingSteve Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:04:41 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25400 <p>Oh, wait. Herman...Her man. It only took me a week to get that one : )</p> Oh, wait. Herman…Her man. It only took me a week to get that one : )

]]> By: Simeon Weinraub http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25377 Simeon Weinraub Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:03:24 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25377 <p>That was what a lot of people said on Boing Boing, about this story, not expecting the ending. But I did see it coming.</p> <p>From my posted comment on Biong Boing about this story:</p> <p>I think of the story as an observational piece about the evolution of relationships, with just enough fantastic remove to keep readers/listeners involved.</p> <p>I think that the ending made sense if the story is an allegory about some aspects of the male/female power dynamic in relationships. In the beginning, the men dominate the relationship, in spite of their actual repulsive nature, until their talismanic phalluses are destroyed and drained of their vital fluids. Then, the women have to maintain the relationship with their powers of accommodation and acceptance.</p> <p>The moral for men: Endear yourself, or buy a lot of Viagra.</p> That was what a lot of people said on Boing Boing, about this story, not expecting the ending. But I did see it coming.

From my posted comment on Biong Boing about this story:

I think of the story as an observational piece about the evolution of relationships, with just enough fantastic remove to keep readers/listeners involved.

I think that the ending made sense if the story is an allegory about some aspects of the male/female power dynamic in relationships. In the beginning, the men dominate the relationship, in spite of their actual repulsive nature, until their talismanic phalluses are destroyed and drained of their vital fluids. Then, the women have to maintain the relationship with their powers of accommodation and acceptance.

The moral for men: Endear yourself, or buy a lot of Viagra.

]]> By: Luniara http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25294 Luniara Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:39:41 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25294 <p>I wasn't expecting that ending. This story drew me in perfectly. Awesome choice of wording by the author and WONDERFUL story telling by the reader. I think she is one of my new favorite readers on pseudopod!</p> <p>Can't wait for today's cast!!</p> I wasn’t expecting that ending. This story drew me in perfectly. Awesome choice of wording by the author and WONDERFUL story telling by the reader. I think she is one of my new favorite readers on pseudopod!

Can’t wait for today’s cast!!

]]> By: Simeon Weinraub http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25259 Simeon Weinraub Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:10:47 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25259 <p>Damn, Amazing Steve, I just got a visual on that... And I even came up with a name for it:</p> <p>Veg-ina Dentada</p> Damn, Amazing Steve, I just got a visual on that… And I even came up with a name for it:

Veg-ina Dentada

]]> By: Amazing Steve http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25110 Amazing Steve Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:37:28 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25110 <p>In the next episode we'll hear all about the Sloan women, who look like Sarah Jessica Parker and draw their power from an underground garden full of venus-flytrap vaginas.</p> In the next episode we’ll hear all about the Sloan women, who look like Sarah Jessica Parker and draw their power from an underground garden full of venus-flytrap vaginas.

]]> By: Ogion The Silent http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25053 Ogion The Silent Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:21:56 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25053 <p>I love all that Lovecraftian "ancient evils spawned in the bowels of the Earth" stuff. This was beautifully set up and written with a neatly ambiguous twist at the end.</p> <p>Incidentally, I've always though of myself as an F&SF person first and foremost. But since subscribing to the thee escape-artists pods I've been finding more and more that it's the pseudopod stories that really grab me. I think I may be turning to the Dark Side,</p> I love all that Lovecraftian “ancient evils spawned in the bowels of the Earth” stuff. This was beautifully set up and written with a neatly ambiguous twist at the end.

Incidentally, I’ve always though of myself as an F&SF person first and foremost. But since subscribing to the thee escape-artists pods I’ve been finding more and more that it’s the pseudopod stories that really grab me. I think I may be turning to the Dark Side,

]]> By: Eric http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-25021 Eric Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:02:45 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-25021 <p>Wow. Gives new meaning to codependence.</p> Wow. Gives new meaning to codependence.

]]> By: Wyrd http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-24736 Wyrd Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:26:47 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-24736 <p>This was a very good story. In particular--the specific choices of words and phrasing kept making it clear that you couldn't just assume that you knew what was going to happen next.</p> <p>It also seemed as if I were listening to an "audio-ized" version of a comic book. I mean, I wonder if the author is perhaps familiar with that medium.</p> <p>------ about the Closing Comments</p> <p>The first few paragraphs of the closing comments started off really funny, but then ran long. Still good to listen to, just--kind of long.</p> <p>-- Furry cows moo and decompress.</p> This was a very good story. In particular–the specific choices of words and phrasing kept making it clear that you couldn’t just assume that you knew what was going to happen next.

It also seemed as if I were listening to an “audio-ized” version of a comic book. I mean, I wonder if the author is perhaps familiar with that medium.

—— about the Closing Comments

The first few paragraphs of the closing comments started off really funny, but then ran long. Still good to listen to, just–kind of long.

– Furry cows moo and decompress.

]]> By: Dom http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-24704 Dom Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:18:37 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-24704 <p>What's WRONG with her?!</p> <p>Eh, I like that story. Not a -lot-, but I dunno.</p> What’s WRONG with her?!

Eh, I like that story. Not a -lot-, but I dunno.

]]> By: The Sloan Men, by David Nickle « Stuff to read http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-24540 The Sloan Men, by David Nickle « Stuff to read Sat, 31 May 2008 23:30:13 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-24540 <p>[...] May 31, 2008 Listen to it op Pseudopod. [...]</p> [...] May 31, 2008 Listen to it op Pseudopod. [...]

]]> By: Adam http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-24538 Adam Sat, 31 May 2008 23:17:16 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-24538 <p>I thought the moral was, "Don't let your girlfriend meet your parents."</p> I thought the moral was, “Don’t let your girlfriend meet your parents.”

]]> By: Simeon Weinraub http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-24506 Simeon Weinraub Sat, 31 May 2008 18:02:31 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-24506 <p>...and the moral of the story is:</p> <p>Protect your man-roots, boys.</p> …and the moral of the story is:

Protect your man-roots, boys.

]]> By: Linkstravaganza del Friday! « Steph-O-Rama http://pseudopod.org/2008/05/30/pseudopod-92-the-sloan-men/#comment-24376 Linkstravaganza del Friday! « Steph-O-Rama Fri, 30 May 2008 23:34:05 +0000 http://pseudopod.org/?p=137#comment-24376 <p>[...] you can stick ‘em on your iPod and listen to wherever. Right now I’m in the middle of “The Sloan Men” and am quite enjoying [...]</p> [...] you can stick ‘em on your iPod and listen to wherever. Right now I’m in the middle of “The Sloan Men” and am quite enjoying [...]

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